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Old 11-14-2008, 06:20 PM   #19
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Re: Another Twisted Belief With The Same Logic As Darwinism Has Now Approved: Fakewin

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I would say that you have made some pretty unprovable statements of your own.

Or as you might say. "Prove it! Prove it! Prove it!"
You obviously didn't take the time to read any of the info on the sites posted. If you had it would have given you a simple grounding in the techniques scientists use to test and and measure their experiments. Once you understand this simple process, you will then begin to understand that every single scientific result has been tested, retested, then tested again by countless individuals, independant of each other all coming to the same conclussions.

This is how we 'Prove it, Prove it, Prove it'. It really is that simple and the sort of stuff Primary and Secondary school children learn all the time over hear. It's part of their curriculum.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:13 PM   #20
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1- "Prove it! Prove it! Prove it!"

2- And if so, what provided the environment?
Prove the environment is the non-random part of evolutionary biology?

Sure thing!

Take a group of creatures... let's go with a group of fish as an easy example. Some are big, some are small. Some swim faster than others. Some are very colorful, others not so much.

The all live in the same lake. They all have to hide from predators, find food, find mates, etc. in the same space as their buddies.

Easier than advertised.

The environment itself is provided by the Earth. Temperature variation is based upon location, as is seasonal activity and weather patterns. That's easy as well.

Any other questions?
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:16 PM   #21
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"Microevolution would be if you drive your car across town. This has been proven so many times that by now everyone accepts it as true.

Macroevolution would be if you could drive your car all the way to another country. This, as everyone in America knows, is impossible."

This is probably a great example of the problem with Macroevolution. Now that you have driven your car from the United States to Mexico, lets see you drive it to France without some extra help.
That's called goalpost moving

You just showed that it's possible to drive to another country. Why the need to add extra requirements? But what's funny is you've just shown a key piece of evolutionary biology without knowing it!

Genetic isolation.

Sure, my car might not be able to make it to France, but the cars in Germany, Switzerland, England and Spain surely can. This is why you don't see European licensed cars in America and vice versa.

This is one of the key factors in Darwin's finches, and you just posted an excellent example of it. I'm glad to see that you're starting to learn!
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There are eye-witness accounts?
So you reject my request, apparently.

#1. You cannot witness evolution anymore than you can witness yourself age, it's too long and too gradual to be directly observed.

#2. Neither of the things you are asking for are stated anywhere within evolutionary theory. they are strawman mock-ups at best.
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#1. You cannot witness... (the full nature of God) anymore than you can witness yourself age, it's too long and too gradual to be directly observed.
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#1. You cannot witness... (the full nature of God) anymore than you can witness yourself age, it's too long and too gradual to be directly observed.
Who said anything about god? We were talking about evolution.
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Who said anything about god? We were talking about evolution.

I was just pointing out that a line of reasoning that is acceptable for defending one school of thought should also be acceptable for defending other schools of thought, as well.

I appreciate the acknowledgment that one can still scientifically study and make scientific conclusions about things that one can not fully "witness" or duplicate due to the extensive nature of that which is being studied, like macroevolution or intelligent design.
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I was just pointing out that a line of reasoning that is acceptable for defending one school of thought should also be acceptable for defending other schools of thought, as well.
I never said you could disprove god, so your point is moot.

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Intelligent design cannot be studied. How would you make predictions with it? How would you test it's validity? You can't.
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I never said you could disprove god, so your point is moot.



Intelligent design cannot be studied. How would you make predictions with it? How would you test it's validity? You can't.
we disagree. While you may or may not be able to test the designer, you surely can test the design
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