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Reuters: Anti-Darwin speaker gagged at Vatican Evolution Conference!

 
 
Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 07:32 pm
FaithWorld Blog Archive Anti-Darwin speaker gagged at Vatican Evolution Conference | Blogs |

The start of a high-powered Vatican-sponsored acadmeic conference on evolution was anything but fossilized.

The third STOQ International Conference, called Biological Evolution, Facts and Theories, began on Tuesday at the Pontifical Gregorian University (picture right) under the patronage of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture.

The conference, which has been organised together with the University of Notre Dame to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin, had barely gotten underway when charges of censorship and undemocratic and unacademic behaviour began flying.

At the end of the first session Oktar Babuna, a Turkish doctor and collaborator of prominent Turkish anti-Darwin campaigner Harun Yahya,asked for the floor to put forward a question. Babuna, a proponent of the Islamic creationist campaign against evolution, spoke about his view that there were insufficient transitional forms from species to species to support the theory of evolution.

After he began speaking two professors on the dias, Francisco J. Ayala of the University of California at Irvine and Douglas Futuyma of the State University of New York were visibly irritated. Someone in the hall can be heard saying “turn the microphone off” and seconds later two organisers approached Babuna. One of them abruptly took the microphone away from Babuna and another ordered him to go back to his seat.

“After I walked back to my seat someone said “only evolutionists can ask questions,” Babuna told Reuters afterwards. “This is very anti-democratic and very unacademic. If this is a scientific meeting … if you have scientific questions to ask, they should be responded to scientifically, everybody accepts that … if you force people to shut up and don’t let them ask any question … then it is not a scientific theory but an ideology.” The spat was filmed by Babuna’s associate Dr Cihat Gundogdu, who put an edited version on the Harun Yahya website.

Both men attended the conference with English and Italian versions of Harun Yahya’s super-slick mega-book Atlas of Creation (picture left) in hand. We have done numerous blogs on Islamic creationism, its proponents and its opponents. Some of the links are listed below. But what do you think about the debate and, more importantly, do you think officials at the Gregorian University were right or wrong to yank the microphone from Babuna at a scientific conference?

I want to ask all Darwinist, do you think officials at the Gregorian University were right or wrong to yank the microphone from Babuna at a scientific conference?



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I want to ask all Darwinist, do you think officials at the Gregorian University were right or wrong to yank the microphone from Babuna at a scientific conference?
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Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 10:14 pm
@ahmetsecer,
Seeing that he lacks any ability to comprehend basic science knowledge, yes. If he can't get the definition of transitional correct, he shouldn't be opening his trap. Plain and simple.

Funny you speak of "censorship" while praising convicted fraudster Harun Yahya's attempts to have certain sites blocked in Turkey.

Your hypocrisy reeks. As does your lack of scientific knowledge.
ahmetsecer
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 09:43 pm
@Sabz5150,
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 10:12 pm
@ahmetsecer,
So a scientific conference weeded out non-scientific dogmatism? Good. This should be done more often.
ahmetsecer
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 10:39 pm
@Sabz5150,
All Darwinists are antidemocratic, you have to accept that, why they dont allow to speak him? Because THEY DONT HAVE ANSWERS FOR HIS QUESTIONS, SO THEY HAD TO TAKE A MICROPHINE. IF THEY TRUST THIS CRAP THEORY THEY LISTEN AND GIVE REPLY. BUT THEY CANT LISTEN QUESTIONS, SO THEY BELIEVE THIS DOGMA!
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 10:40 pm
@ahmetsecer,
ahmetsecer;64533 wrote:
All Darwinists are antidemocratic, you have to accept that, why they dont allow to speak him? Because THEY DONT HAVE ANSWERS FOR HIS QUESTIONS, SO THEY HAD TO TAKE A MICROPHINE. IF THEY TRUST THIS CRAP THEORY THEY LISTEN AND GIVE REPLY. BUT THEY CANT LISTEN QUESTIONS, SO THEY BELIEVE THIS DOGMA!


Really? So explain why convicted fraudster Adnan Oktar repeatedly has websites which he does not agree with banned?

Sounds quite democratic to me. Sounds like you don't like your own medicine.
ahmetsecer
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 11:29 pm
@Sabz5150,
I explained before, becuse Richard Dawkins didnt give reply to Harun Yahya scientific, he insult his web sites to Harun Yahya, so Harun Yahya has to right to banned this web site. If somebody insult you, dont you say something and just listenning? If Dawkins give a scientific and polite reply to Harun Yahya then his web site will not banned, but of course he couldnt, because he dont have scientific explanations, so he choosed this way. I explained this question so many times, you can find explanation Harun Yahya - An Invitation to The Truth also, before asking question pls make a quick search, so we dont waste our times!
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 10 Mar, 2009 11:52 pm
@ahmetsecer,
ahmetsecer;64535 wrote:
I explained before, becuse Richard Dawkins didnt give reply to Harun Yahya scientific, he insult his web sites to Harun Yahya, so Harun Yahya has to right to banned this web site. If somebody insult you, dont you say something and just listenning? If Dawkins give a scientific and polite reply to Harun Yahya then his web site will not banned, but of course he couldnt, because he dont have scientific explanations, so he choosed this way. I explained this question so many times, you can find explanation Harun Yahya - An Invitation to The Truth also, before asking question pls make a quick search, so we dont waste our times!


Convicted fraudster Harun Yahya does not understand science. AT ALL. This is obvious in his lack of understanding of the basic definition of a transitional fossil.

Compared to people who actually know what they're talking about, convicted fraudster Harun Yahya comes off sounding like an idiot, and because of such he is treated that way.

Convicted fraudster Yahya bans sites because they don't agree with his views. Why doesn't he do the "democratic" thing and let other voices be heard? Could it be that he's afraid? Afraid that his lies and deceit will be exposed? I'm thinking so.
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