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![]() | Islam and non-violence “The Christian God is a being of terrific character – cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust,” Thomas Jefferson, US President (1801-1809). “Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all they have and do not spare them. Kill both men and women, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey,” 1 Sam 15:3. Similar violent commands can be found in Hebrew Bible in Deut, 2:30-35, 7: 1-2, 7:16 and Jer. 13:14, etc. “Thus were both the daughters of Lot (a Biblical prophet) with child by their father,” Genesis 19:36 The born-again Jew, the former US secretary of state, Madelein Albright, was asked by Lesley Stahl that (USrael) sanctions (against Iraq) has killed half a million children – more than children killed in Heroshima as result of US nuclear attack. “Do you believe it’s worth the price?” Albright’s respose was: “I think it’s a very hard choice, but the price – we think the price is worth it”. Interestingly, Albright could hold her tears on TV while mentioning the death of seven Jewish girls along Jordanian border at the hands of a Jordanian soldier in March 1997. The stereotype image of Muslim fanatics crashing planes into high-rise buildings and blowing up innocent people by their suicidal actions – are created by the Islamophobe writers working for the Zionist-controlled mainstream media and the pro-Israel government officials and the intelligence agencies – all working for the benefit of the Zionist entity in the Middle East. The great majority of the terrorist activites for which Muslims are blamed – were in fact Israeli false-flag operations meant to demonize the Muslims and Islam in general. Israel was never mentioned by name in the Bible until the Zionist created Scofield Study Bible which created the ‘divine’ support for the creation of the Zionist state as the fulfilment of the Biblical prophecy. Scofield Bible is the ‘religious inspiration’ for the majority of 70 million pro-Israel Zionist Christians. Holy Qur’an commands non-violence when Allah says: “There is no compulsion in religion”. However, Holy Qyr’an also says that Allah will not have Mercy on the unrepentant Evildoers in order to defend His Attribute of being the enforcer of ‘Absolute Justice’. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) also carried out a non-violent Jihad (struggle) for first thirteen years of his prophethood to bring reformation to the Makkan pagan society. He and his followers suffered so much humiliation and torture in Makkah that some of them had to take refuge in the nearby Christian Kingdom of Habsha. The Prophet (pbuh) himself took self-exile in Medinah on the request of his followers in Mdinah. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) tried for two years to seek cooperation from the followers of other Abrahamic religion (Israelite) who dominated the city as traders and money-lenders. They took the message of Islam (usury, slavery, greed and treason) as a great threat to their power. Therefore, they collaborated with the enemies of Islam by funding them. As a result, City’s Chief Rabbi, based on Torah’s command – gave the Muslims the right for the expulsion of the three Jewish tribes – though two of the Prophet’s (pbuh) wives belonged to Jewish tribes. The misunderstood word ‘Jihad’ – is NOT equivalent to western Crusades or America’s war on everyone who refuses to accept its dictation. Islamic Jihad mean “struggle to understand one’s purpose of creation”. In Islamic Shari’ah there are six kinds of Jihad. Five involves in purification of one’s religious, social and political actions – as commanded by Allah in Holy Qur’an and practiced by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) during his life. The sixth Jihad is to use force to stop evilness being constantly committed after all non-violent resistance has failed. All religions and the international law allow people to fight the resist the military occupation by every possible mean including the armed resistance. That’s what some Muslim groups are doing in occupied Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and Philippines. The modern history the greatest non-violent movement was 1979 Isranian Revolution lead by Imam Khomeini, which toppled the pro-USrael dynasty of Reza Shah Pahlavi (d.1980 in Cairo and is buried next to King Farouk in the Al-Rifai mosque) without a shot or the acts of hooliganism are being carried out by the US-funded protest marches against Ahmadinejad’s re-election in June 2009. In June 2008 – it was revealed that a 2007 Bush administration directive provided for an additional US$400 million to expand US operations in Islamic Iran – one priority of which was described as “supporting the opposition groups in a bid to undermine the current regime”. Randall Amster PhD, in his article “What the Muslim World Can Teach Us about Nonviolence“, wrote: “It might be a bad dream, but it feels real enough. The mantle of warfare slips seamlessly from one president to another, from one party to another, from one decade to another, from one generation to another. The impetus of national aggression transcends race, creed, socio-economic status, age and geography. Our collective sin is the bald lie that we all live and perpetuate from moment to moment, year upon year, from our past to the days ahead: the misbegotten belief that we are a peaceful people. Yes, we are good and peaceful, and they (whatever “they” we’re focused on today) are ruthless and evil. Institutionally, these values are operationalized every day. Drone attacks, propped-up murderers and dictators, weapons manufacturing and distribution, clandestine death squads, full-on warfare, neglect of starvation and disease, collateral damage, structural adjustments, black holes of torture, targeting civilians – this is the essence of our foreign policy…… Please don’t get stuck on the standard lines that “all these people understand is violence” and “their religion is based on violence.” If we are to judge Muslims as a whole based on the actions of a small sample of fanatics, then we have to apply the same gaze to ourselves, and it isn’t a pretty reflection looking back….” http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/02...-non-violence/ |
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Jihad? Some Muslims say that can be interpreted how a Muslim wishes to intepret it. Some say struggle others say war against the non-Muslims who dislike Islam. Islam does not preach, encourage violence? You quoted Qur’an, Verse 2:256 the famous 'No compulsion in religion'. You have carefuly chosen that but left out the rest. Let's contrast verse 2:256 with Suras 9 and 5. Muslim terrorists cite it to justify their violent jihad. One Muslim says it is meant to be for a Muslims to act offensive towards non-Muslims and the other defensive. Who's right? Verse 193 of the same Sura instructs Muslims to "fight with them, (the non-Muslims) until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah." This reinforces the narcissistic nature of Islam, which places Muslims above non-Muslims, and applies a very different value and standard of treatment to both groups. Why not talk them into converting? Why physically fight? I thought there was no compulsion in religion. Muhammed spent a lot of his time fighting people and in many cases it was not even needed. Bukhari 2:24 quotes Muahmmed "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." I thought there was no compulsion in religion. Muhammed later on in Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4366 went to order that Jews and Christians who would not convert to Islam be expelled from Arabia. I thought there was no compulsion in religion. Whether you view Jihad to mean struggle or actual violence against non-Muslims there are many verses in the Quran which support the killing, attacking, forcing conversions and taxations against non-Muslims. Terror It's a known fact that Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make. Muslims may believe whatever they want to about what Islam says or doesn't say, but it doesn't change what Islam says about itself. Consider that many Muslims would not even think of amputating a thief's hand. Does this mean that it is against Islam to do so? Of course not. In fact, this mandate is clearly found in one of the last verses in the Qur'an Surah 5:38 and in the example of Muhammad according to the Hadith Bukhari 81:792. The harsh rules that Muslim countries impose on free speech to protect Islam from critique also prevent it from being fully understood. Let's go back to 1971 before 911 and Islamic exremist started attacking their own and others, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period. People In the West, many Muslims, devout or otherwise, simply prefer to believe that Islam is aligned with the Judeo-Christian principles of peace and tolerance, even if it means filtering evidence to the contrary. Christianity and violence I was not surprised when you tried to make Islam look better that Christianity on this subject. Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Some Muslims love talking about the Crusades. Its fair to say that those who carry out violence in the name of Muhammed are doing what Muhammed would do anyway. Those who carry out violence in the name of Jesus are doing what Jesus would not do. The first Crusade began in 1095. It began 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after Rome itself was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity. In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. The greatest crime of the Crusaders was the sacking of Jerusalem, in which 30,000 people were said to have been massacred. Know your history. | |
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![]() | Re: Islam and non-violence Let me response to your rant full of ignorance about Islam - taken from some page of 'Answering-Islam' Zionist website. According to Islamic scholars - Jihad mean the eradication of evil by force - thus a military struggle. Islam preaches peace with the non-Muslims who want to live in peace with Muslims. Holy Qur'an commands the Believers to wage war against people like Zionist filth and try their best to eradicate them from the face of the earth for benefit of the humanity at large. Some Muslim apologists do like to present Islam as a submissive religion - which is against the teaching of Holy Qur'an. However, Islam did spread in many places without Muslim soldiers putting their boots there - for example, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Philippines, India, Cambodia, Thailand and Malaysia to name a few. Islam's greatest attraction to non-Muslims have been it being without racism (Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism are all based on racism), equality for both genders in spirituality and many other aspects of life in this word.
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Secondly you said "According to Islamic scholars - Jihad mean the eradication of evil by force - thus a military struggle." Why are you still on that? Funny did I not say that 'whether you view Jihad to mean struggle or actual violence against non-Muslims there are many verses in the Quran which support the killing, attacking, forcing conversions and taxations against non-Muslims'. So what are you rying to prove? Racism and Slavery in Islam Thirdly you're trying too hard to make Islam look good. Yep, Muhammad owned and sold black slaves. In fact, the pulpit of his mosque, from which he preached Islam, was built by slave labor on his order. This is what Islam says and records about racism AND slavery. Read Hadith Bukhari 34:351 Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was a slave trader. Read Hadith Muslim 3901 Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slave. Read also Bukhari 47:743 where Muhammad's own pulpit from which he preached Islam was built with slave labor on his command. You stated Islam is being without racism? Such a lie and believeable to a person who has not read the Quran or hadiths or knows little about Islam. Racism and Slavery in Christianity The Bible gives clear instructions on how slaves should be treated reading Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9 and also Colossians 4:1. Unlike Islam and Muhammed's clear actions, the slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. It was social status. For example read Exodus 13:14 where the Hebrews were slaves, not by choice, but because they were Hebrews. God in Exodus 7-11 condemn racial slavery. Slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries. And both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of 'man-stealing' which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Similar to Muhammed's slave trading. By the way whilst on the subject slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” in the Bible in 1 Timothy 1:8-10, yes in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers. Attraction to Islam By the way Islam tends to attract those who are looking for something different. They were told it is 'peaceful' and some convert to it before knowing a single thing about the religion and then leave after many years of reciting the Quran and knowing alot about it. There are more Muslims born into Islam than there are people converting to it. Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 - 2007) studied that a huge 75% of new Muslim converts in the USA leave Islam within a few years. Like I said, Muslims may believe whatever they want to about what Islam says or doesn't say, but it doesn't change what Islam says about itself. I never recall calling you ignorant but you call me that for proving proof and truth - all of which you don't like and not surprising either. | |
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![]() | Re: Islam and non-violence There is no use whinning behind a false cover of Christianity dude. If the Prophet had been in business of selling slave, he would have sold his Black slave Bilal and his two Jewish and one Christian women slaves. However, he made Bilal the chief caller of "call for prayer" and married the two Jewish and one Christian women slaves. Now let me deal with your "ignorance" of Deuteronomy which one of the FIVE BOOKS of the Jewish Bible (OT) used by St. Paul (Saul the Christ-hater Jew) to make his cult as kosher. The book also says that David had 300 wives and 400 slave-girls. According to Jewish Talmud, even Jesus' mother was a "society girl (sic)". What would you call this Christian doctrine other than racism: There is no Salvation outside Church. Or from Talmud: Thank G-d for not making me a Gentile, a Woman and a Slave. Next splash of ignorance, please.
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![]() | Re: Islam and non-violence Rehmat get over yourself. Islam is far worse. You're in the Islam section and you started your post slandering Christianity lol! Look at you. The other poster provided far more evidence to suggest how Islam is not good or better than Christianity. If you had real confidence in your own faith you would have started off your post EXPLAININNG why Islam is the way. "“The Christian God is a being of terrific character – cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust,” Thomas Jefferson, US President (1801-1809). " What a joke. |
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