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DesertDave · 06-03-2007, 07:20 PM

As I stated in another thread, who started this notion that you need to have faith to live well? Nonsense, the 8 years I lived in South Korea & Japan were the years when I met some of the best people I've ever known. They're mostly happy, well adjusted, family oriented, successful regular people but also Atheist due to practicing Buddhism and Shintoism.

From responses I recieved in other threads, most of you think you need a belief system to be happy or fulfilled - what crazt crap is that? At best organized religions area huge crutch, proof positive by how many millions live very well around the world.

Now your attacks will most likely come in the form of venting frustration from my being right. Or armchair drugstore psychology, what's my age etc. That's what happens when you get defensive, getting defensive puts you on the defense, the ropes.

I know Atheists in Asia that are much better christians here in America. Case in point, the recent Amish school girl killings in Pennsylvania. The Amish invited the killers parents to dinner and forgave the killer. That stuff never happens with any demonination of Christianity or Catholicism - NEVER. More often it's Catholic's like Bill O'Reilly spewing hatred, that guy never loves, forgives, shows compassion or understanding, that's the kind of christians we have in the US.

Drnaline · 06-03-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally stated by DesertDave

As I stated in another thread, who started this notion that you need to have faith to live well? Nonsense, the 8 years I lived in South Korea & Japan were the years when I met some of the best people I've ever known. They're mostly happy, well adjusted, family oriented, successful regular people but also Atheist due to practicing Buddhism and Shintoism.

From responses I recieved in other threads, most of you think you need a belief system to be happy or fulfilled - what crazt crap is that? At best organized religions area huge crutch, proof positive by how many millions live very well around the world.

Now your attacks will most likely come in the form of venting frustration from my being right. Or armchair drugstore psychology, what's my age etc. That's what happens when you get defensive, getting defensive puts you on the defense, the ropes.

I know Atheists in Asia that are much better christians here in America. Case in point, the recent Amish school girl killings in Pennsylvania. The Amish invited the killers parents to dinner and forgave the killer. That stuff never happens with any demonination of Christianity or Catholicism - NEVER. More often it's Catholic's like Bill O'Reilly spewing hatred, that guy never loves, forgives, shows compassion or understanding, that's the kind of christians we have in the US.

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From responses I recieved in other threads, most of you think you need a belief system to be happy or fulfilled - what crazt crap is that?

Your assumption would be wrong.

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At best organized religions area huge crutch, proof positive by how many millions live very well around the world.

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More often it's Catholic's like Bill O'Reilly spewing hatred, that guy never loves, forgives, shows compassion or understanding, that's the kind of christians we have in the US

You have expressed your opinion why do you seek to sensor bill?

In your opinion. Luckaly for freewill, millions if not billions think your opinion is wrong?

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Now your attacks will most likely come in the form of venting frustration from my being right.

Lol, your funny.

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Or armchair drugstore psychology, what's my age etc.

Asking your age is a lagitamate question, i'm fortytwo if you'd like to know.

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That's what happens when you get defensive, getting defensive puts you on the defense, the ropes.

You have to mount an offence before someone can defend against it. Neither of which has happened.

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I know Atheists in Asia that are much better christians here in America.

Good for them. There to be commended for such a stringent politic.

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That stuff never happens with any demonination of Christianity or Catholicism - NEVER.

"NEVER" is a big word, care to elaborate?

Reagaknight · 06-04-2007, 01:59 PM

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I know Atheists in Asia that are much better christians here in America. Case in point, the recent Amish school girl killings in Pennsylvania. The Amish invited the killers parents to dinner and forgave the killer. That stuff never happens with any demonination of Christianity or Catholicism - NEVER. More often it's Catholic's like Bill O'Reilly spewing hatred, that guy never loves, forgives, shows compassion or understanding, that's the kind of christians we have in

Atheists likethe one in the government of China who make a hobby of persecuting religions? No compassion in the hundreds of Catholic charities in America helping people around the world? If you say so.

Silverchild79 · 06-04-2007, 02:04 PM

Buddhists are very well adjusted by their nature, Buddhism does a great job of explaining the very chaotic nature of life and ways to make peace with it.

As for the Amish family I'm glad they made peace with his parents but forgive he murderer? He should be put to death.

Adam Bing · 10-25-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally stated by DesertDave

As I stated in another thread, who started this notion that you need to have faith to live well? Nonsense, the 8 years I lived in South Korea & Japan were the years when I met some of the best people I've ever known. They're mostly happy, well adjusted, family oriented, successful regular people but also Atheist due to practicing Buddhism and Shintoism.

From responses I recieved in other threads, most of you think you need a belief system to be happy or fulfilled - what crazt crap is that? At best organized religions area huge crutch, proof positive by how many millions live very well around the world.

Now your attacks will most likely come in the form of venting frustration from my being right. Or armchair drugstore psychology, what's my age etc. That's what happens when you get defensive, getting defensive puts you on the defense, the ropes.

I know Atheists in Asia that are much better christians here in America. Case in point, the recent Amish school girl killings in Pennsylvania. The Amish invited the killers parents to dinner and forgave the killer. That stuff never happens with any demonination of Christianity or Catholicism - NEVER. More often it's Catholic's like Bill O'Reilly spewing hatred, that guy never loves, forgives, shows compassion or understanding, that's the kind of christians we have in the US.

I have had a similar experience in Asia. They do not waer their religion on their sleeves and while at the receiving end of missionaries they patiently listen and rarely take offense. I was proud to spend 10 years amongst the marvellous people of East Asia.

Adam Bing · 10-25-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally stated by Reagaknight

Atheists likethe one in the government of China who make a hobby of persecuting religions? No compassion in the hundreds of Catholic charities in America helping people around the world? If you say so.

The catholic charaties help with the intention of harvesting souls. They have on a net-net based, done more harm than good except for some very brave priests and nuns in South America recently. An exception to the rule.

Tulip · 10-25-2007, 11:45 AM

Life is not suppose to be easy, in order to learn and grow we experience both the positive and the negative. So when we go through suffering as a natural part of our life span, we get through it by searching for our truth, and unravelling all the crap that has stuck to us along the way. When you reach this point you look for some meaning and the answer is always the same. Call it an energy source, the universal power, the divine, Buddah or God, regardless it is abundant power and unlimited truth.

Numpty · 10-25-2007, 01:34 PM

Unfortunately the same brush can tarnish Buddhism as that of Organised Religion. Buddhism is one that is entrenched in 'Karma' basically put 'What goes around comes around'. You may well be shocked to know their views on disabled people. They are disabled because of what they did in another life, simply put, they are being punished for crimes they committed in that previous life. So take a look every disabled person, those with Down's Spinabifida, Dwarfism. You guessed it, all led previously bad lives.

This is ok if you believe we should be punished for leading previously bad lives. But what about the families that love and cherish these poeple only to see them die before their time. What did they do wrong to deserve that heart ache?

No I am affraid true Atheism has no place for Buddhism either. Sorry I am neither on the defensive nor wish to attack, just throwing in what understand to be the beliefs of Buddhists.

Tulip · 10-25-2007, 05:49 PM

No, that isn't true...although l am not doubting that some mislead people have obviously dumped ignorant ideas like this on others...the karma situation deals with reincarnation, and in order to learn the lessons you seek to learn i.e. overcoming a tragedy such as a love loss in order to learn a deeper more profound love that is without conditions, you chose a birth vision of the highest potential. Then you are born into a situation that you chose and go through the life in order to try to overcome and learn and become.
Everyone's life has a challenge to achieve this birth vision, so if you have wealth are you going to give into the ego temptations. And if you have a series of tragedies, are you going to give into ego temptations {such as feeling like a victim}.
What you speak about hits home because I was told l got what l deserved from some sin l must have commited, from a Christian church, so l think the ignorance is universal and of the few who really don't understand.
And as for your question about "What did they do to deserve that heartache?" I think that life is not supposed to be easy, it is supposed to be a challenge to bring a person to the point where they stop trying to control and begin to give it up and continue in faith. Then life begins.

06-03-2007, 07:20 PM	#1
DesertDave Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 21	ATHIESTS IN ASIA LIVE with no belief system As I stated in another thread, who started this notion that you need to have faith to live well? Nonsense, the 8 years I lived in South Korea & Japan were the years when I met some of the best people I've ever known. They're mostly happy, well adjusted, family oriented, successful regular people but also Atheist due to practicing Buddhism and Shintoism. From responses I recieved in other threads, most of you think you need a belief system to be happy or fulfilled - what crazt crap is that? At best organized religions area huge crutch, proof positive by how many millions live very well around the world. Now your attacks will most likely come in the form of venting frustration from my being right. Or armchair drugstore psychology, what's my age etc. That's what happens when you get defensive, getting defensive puts you on the defense, the ropes. I know Atheists in Asia that are much better christians here in America. Case in point, the recent Amish school girl killings in Pennsylvania. The Amish invited the killers parents to dinner and forgave the killer. That stuff never happens with any demonination of Christianity or Catholicism - NEVER. More often it's Catholic's like Bill O'Reilly spewing hatred, that guy never loves, forgives, shows compassion or understanding, that's the kind of christians we have in the US.

06-04-2007, 02:04 PM	#4
Silverchild79 Paul is done Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,084	Re: ATHIESTS IN ASIA LIVE with no belief system Buddhists are very well adjusted by their nature, Buddhism does a great job of explaining the very chaotic nature of life and ways to make peace with it. As for the Amish family I'm glad they made peace with his parents but forgive he murderer? He should be put to death. __________________ L-Ron Paul is kinda like L Ron Hubbard They speak in fiction, and those who support them are usually crazy

10-25-2007, 11:45 AM	#7
Tulip Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 358	Re: ATHIESTS IN ASIA LIVE with no belief system Life is not suppose to be easy, in order to learn and grow we experience both the positive and the negative. So when we go through suffering as a natural part of our life span, we get through it by searching for our truth, and unravelling all the crap that has stuck to us along the way. When you reach this point you look for some meaning and the answer is always the same. Call it an energy source, the universal power, the divine, Buddah or God, regardless it is abundant power and unlimited truth.

10-25-2007, 01:34 PM	#8
Numpty Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: England Posts: 1,145	Re: ATHIESTS IN ASIA LIVE with no belief system Unfortunately the same brush can tarnish Buddhism as that of Organised Religion. Buddhism is one that is entrenched in 'Karma' basically put 'What goes around comes around'. You may well be shocked to know their views on disabled people. They are disabled because of what they did in another life, simply put, they are being punished for crimes they committed in that previous life. So take a look every disabled person, those with Down's Spinabifida, Dwarfism. You guessed it, all led previously bad lives. This is ok if you believe we should be punished for leading previously bad lives. But what about the families that love and cherish these poeple only to see them die before their time. What did they do wrong to deserve that heart ache? No I am affraid true Atheism has no place for Buddhism either. Sorry I am neither on the defensive nor wish to attack, just throwing in what understand to be the beliefs of Buddhists.

10-25-2007, 05:49 PM	#9
Tulip Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 358	Re: ATHIESTS IN ASIA LIVE with no belief system No, that isn't true...although l am not doubting that some mislead people have obviously dumped ignorant ideas like this on others...the karma situation deals with reincarnation, and in order to learn the lessons you seek to learn i.e. overcoming a tragedy such as a love loss in order to learn a deeper more profound love that is without conditions, you chose a birth vision of the highest potential. Then you are born into a situation that you chose and go through the life in order to try to overcome and learn and become. Everyone's life has a challenge to achieve this birth vision, so if you have wealth are you going to give into the ego temptations. And if you have a series of tragedies, are you going to give into ego temptations {such as feeling like a victim}. What you speak about hits home because I was told l got what l deserved from some sin l must have commited, from a Christian church, so l think the ignorance is universal and of the few who really don't understand. And as for your question about "What did they do to deserve that heartache?" I think that life is not supposed to be easy, it is supposed to be a challenge to bring a person to the point where they stop trying to control and begin to give it up and continue in faith. Then life begins.

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