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markx15 · 09-10-2006, 07:14 PM

The USA, more especifically NASA has launched another space mission (Atlantis) to deliver truss segments(I have no idea what truss segments are, if anyone would care to enlighten me it would be greatly apreciated) to the ISS, but what is really there, for the world in general, up in space? So far there has been nothing remotly usable found on the moon and elsewhere, so after all that money and time dedicated to desenvolving space stations and ect.. there has been no return, the USA donates around 6 billion dollars a year to NASA, but what have they provided? I cant deny that all space exploration has been fruitless, because its the reason why we can maintain a worldwide conection (internet), but that being done why are we still wasting time and money in useless missions?

Brent · 09-10-2006, 08:51 PM

because space is huge and there is no way we can know what we will find. As the United States of America it is not like us to become relaxed as we are the Super Power on the world. We can not afford to slack off. We must be on our toes at all times. Space Exploration is a big part of that. We still have a Missile Defense system to perfect.

markx15 · 09-10-2006, 09:31 PM

exactly, space is huge, tell me what could we possibaly devise to comunicate faster than the speed of light, because that will be necessary for an real space expansion. As to the missile defense system, how can we work for peace if we still prepare for war?

Brent · 09-10-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally stated by markx15

exactly, space is huge, tell me what could we possibaly devise to comunicate faster than the speed of light, because that will be necessary for an real space expansion. As to the missile defense system, how can we work for peace if we still prepare for war?

There will never be peace. It would be naive of us to act like there can be. That's just the way I see it

markx15 · 09-10-2006, 10:20 PM

Naive or revolutionary? Imagine the repercussions if the USA denounced all use of weaponary outside of its boarders. What explanation would any terrorist or country have for attacking such a country? We face today the problem kidnapping has, one must give up their part first for there to be an exchange. Of course such morality is impossible, because there will be attacks, and no man wishes the death of his son to the death of somebody unknown. If only we could consider death not as a sentence, but as a blessing.

Drnaline · 09-10-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally stated by markx15

The USA, more especifically NASA has launched another space mission (Atlantis) to deliver truss segments(I have no idea what truss segments are, if anyone would care to enlighten me it would be greatly apreciated) to the ISS, but what is really there, for the world in general, up in space? So far there has been nothing remotly usable found on the moon and elsewhere, so after all that money and time dedicated to desenvolving space stations and ect.. there has been no return, the USA donates around 6 billion dollars a year to NASA, but what have they provided? I cant deny that all space exploration has been fruitless, because its the reason why we can maintain a worldwide conection (internet), but that being done why are we still wasting time and money in useless missions?

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(Atlantis) to deliver truss segments(I have no idea what truss segments are, if anyone would care to enlighten me it would be greatly apreciated) to the ISS,

Truss segments are preconstructed interlocking units and are taken up there for assembly. A standard truss in a home would be like a beam holding up a wood floor or truss's hold up your roof.

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but what is really there, for the world in general, up in space?

At this point not much. But being that we are so inquisitive we don't neccesarilly care. We do it because we can.

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So far there has been nothing remotly usable found on the moon and elsewhere, so after all that money and time dedicated to desenvolving space stations and ect.. there has been no return, the USA donates around 6 billion dollars a year to NASA, but what have they provided?

I suggest visiting the NASA website. NASA - Home
Every time we go up there we learn alot of things. There are always tests and experiments going on. Alot of things don't react the same in zero gravity as they do on earth so there variations are some times amplified in space. One example is how plant grow in zero gravity? The answer is very well. We do not count what invested for a given return. Being entrepanuerial we invest huge amounts of money on things we have passion for, space exploration is one of those passions. It's not useless and waisted time, over a period of decades, even century's this accumilation of knowledge will catapult us worldwide by leaps and bounds. It may seem useless but look how far we've come in two thousand years.

Brent · 09-10-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally stated by markx15

Naive or revolutionary? Imagine the repercussions if the USA denounced all use of weaponary outside of its boarders.

North Korea and the entire Middle East would welcome that with open arms.

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What explanation would any terrorist or country have for attacking such a country?

Hate and money.

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We face today the problem kidnapping has, one must give up their part first for there to be an exchange.

Right and no one is going to trust countries like Iran and North Korea to do it. I won't trust China to do it.

markx15 · 09-11-2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally stated by Drnaline

One example is how plant grow in zero gravity?

I hadnt considered that point of veiw, but can you say what use could there be in learning such things as you said unless for space expansion, I'm not saying it is something we shouldn't pursue, I am mearly suggesting that we solve the problems we have on our planet before we repeat them on another one. That raises another matter, can we in good conscience populate another planet just to waste it as we have done with Earth? No, we still have a long way to go before we become enviormentaly safe. I also understand the need to get a "head start" on problems we will later face in an eventual space expansion.

markx15 · 09-11-2006, 07:26 AM

You say that their cause for attacking this hypothetical USA would be hate and money, but where does their hate come from? I believe they have ample reason to hate america because we cannot be sure that our actions while righteous and rational to us might be unbearable to others. You also said money, but I have noticed no terrorist organizations reaping financial benefit from their actions, maybe I'm wrong. You can also notice that hate and money constitute the main reason for war yet we still attempt to explain ourselves in good light, as protectors not opressors, now tell me why would that be needed in a world which can accept hate and money as justifications for war? That must mean that both are condemned in military action, so when you denounce all manners of weaponry it might not eliminate hate and greed, but will surely remove their political backing, which is no small thing. The only way to isolate these organizations so that they may be disbanded or arrested is to marginalize them. What is a marginal? somebody who acts against common belief and ideology. They only way to stop sombody from acting is to convince them that either there is no more need, or to persuade them that they no longer want to do it. As these justifications for war disapear how will they sway the masses into accepting such atrocities?

09-10-2006, 07:14 PM	#1
markx15 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: RJ, Brazil Posts: 838	Space, whats up there for us? The USA, more especifically NASA has launched another space mission (Atlantis) to deliver truss segments(I have no idea what truss segments are, if anyone would care to enlighten me it would be greatly apreciated) to the ISS, but what is really there, for the world in general, up in space? So far there has been nothing remotly usable found on the moon and elsewhere, so after all that money and time dedicated to desenvolving space stations and ect.. there has been no return, the USA donates around 6 billion dollars a year to NASA, but what have they provided? I cant deny that all space exploration has been fruitless, because its the reason why we can maintain a worldwide conection (internet), but that being done why are we still wasting time and money in useless missions?

09-10-2006, 08:51 PM	#2
Brent New Guy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 1,218	Re: Space, whats up there for us? because space is huge and there is no way we can know what we will find. As the United States of America it is not like us to become relaxed as we are the Super Power on the world. We can not afford to slack off. We must be on our toes at all times. Space Exploration is a big part of that. We still have a Missile Defense system to perfect.

09-10-2006, 09:31 PM	#3
markx15 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: RJ, Brazil Posts: 838	Re: Space, whats up there for us? exactly, space is huge, tell me what could we possibaly devise to comunicate faster than the speed of light, because that will be necessary for an real space expansion. As to the missile defense system, how can we work for peace if we still prepare for war?

09-10-2006, 10:20 PM	#5
markx15 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: RJ, Brazil Posts: 838	Re: Space, whats up there for us? Naive or revolutionary? Imagine the repercussions if the USA denounced all use of weaponary outside of its boarders. What explanation would any terrorist or country have for attacking such a country? We face today the problem kidnapping has, one must give up their part first for there to be an exchange. Of course such morality is impossible, because there will be attacks, and no man wishes the death of his son to the death of somebody unknown. If only we could consider death not as a sentence, but as a blessing. __________________ A human being is part of the whole, called by us "universe," limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons close to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from our prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all humanity and the whole of nature in its beauty. Albert Einstein

09-11-2006, 07:26 AM	#9
markx15 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: RJ, Brazil Posts: 838	Re: Space, whats up there for us? You say that their cause for attacking this hypothetical USA would be hate and money, but where does their hate come from? I believe they have ample reason to hate america because we cannot be sure that our actions while righteous and rational to us might be unbearable to others. You also said money, but I have noticed no terrorist organizations reaping financial benefit from their actions, maybe I'm wrong. You can also notice that hate and money constitute the main reason for war yet we still attempt to explain ourselves in good light, as protectors not opressors, now tell me why would that be needed in a world which can accept hate and money as justifications for war? That must mean that both are condemned in military action, so when you denounce all manners of weaponry it might not eliminate hate and greed, but will surely remove their political backing, which is no small thing. The only way to isolate these organizations so that they may be disbanded or arrested is to marginalize them. What is a marginal? somebody who acts against common belief and ideology. They only way to stop sombody from acting is to convince them that either there is no more need, or to persuade them that they no longer want to do it. As these justifications for war disapear how will they sway the masses into accepting such atrocities? __________________ A human being is part of the whole, called by us "universe," limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons close to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from our prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all humanity and the whole of nature in its beauty. Albert Einstein