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Silverchild79 · 10-17-2007, 11:39 PM

Allot of people here say that the Mayor of a large city lacks the depth of experience needed to run a nation. But how about Ron Paul? Just as I did with his stances, we'll look at his career, by the facts, and see just what leadership experience Dr. Paul has.

BTW, if you're wondering where that thread is, it's here: http://www.conflictingviews.com/t2142/

so, to the Career of Ron Paul.

Well Ron Paul's first crack at leadership came when he was president of his high school student council. That sounds silly but I want to be thorough. He undoubtedly lead students at some point so I guess that counts.

His next stride in Leadership came when he was elected House Manager of his college fraternity; Lambda Chi Alpha of Gettysburg College.

during his senior year Paul got married, in 1957. I guess marriage was seen as a form of leadership in those days, it's before the sexual revolution and all. He does however lose points because his wife actually asked him to their first date. Hows a lack of spine and all.

Paul then considered being a Lutheran Minister, which is odd considering his five children were baptized Episcopalian, but whatever. He decided against that position of leadership to attend the Duke School of Medicine.

His college was interrupted when he was drafted during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He was a flight surgeon while in the military. For those who aren't up to date on the workings of our fighting machine, a flight surgeon is not a position of leadership. Even if it is an honorable way to serve, Just wanted to clear that up.

After that he worked at a church hospital's emergency room in San Antonio. After that he found another position of leadership as he took over the medical practice of a retiring doctor in Lake Jackson, affording him leadership over a small practice in Rural Texas.

His next change came a few years later, Paul became a delegate to the 1974 Texas Republican convention.

After that Paul was an unsuccessful Republican candidate for Congress from the 22nd district of Texas in 1974

When President Gerald Ford appointed Casey as head of the Federal Maritime Commission, Paul won an April 1976 special election to fill the empty seat (Member of the House of Rep). Paul lost six months later in the general election.

Paul was also one of only four Republican Congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president against Gerald Ford in 1976,[2] when Paul led the Texas Reagan delegation at the national Republican convention.[36]

he then defeated Gammage in a 1978 rematch (for a seat in The House) and won new terms in 1980 and 1982.

SIDE NOTE: Is Ron Paul pro gun control? In 1980, when a majority of Republicans favored President Jimmy Carter's proposal to reinstate draft registration, he pointed out the majority's views as inconsistent, stating they "were more interested in registering their children than they were their guns".

In 1984, Paul chose to run for the U.S. Senate instead of re-election to the House, but lost the GOP primary to Phil Gramm.

In the 1988 presidential election, Paul defeated American Indian activist Russell Means to win the Libertarian Party nomination for president. He ran against Bush the First, which is a bit odd considering he was such a fan of Reganomics in the late 70's and now considers himself the most like Regan among GOP hopefuls...

After the election, Paul had a coin business,[50] began his own think tank, the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, published an investment newsletter,[47] and continued his medical practice until he returned to Congress.

In 1996, Paul returned to Congress after a tougher battle than he had faced in the 1970s. He's been there ever since. It's important to note that the National Rifle Association actually supported his opponent, again raising the question about his theories on gun control.

Side Note 2: Conflict of Interest? After being elected again Paul continued to work as an obstetrician in Brazoria County, Texas, delivering many of his constituents' babies even while serving in Congress. Where does he find all this time? Well if you haven't noticed by now he isn't running anything, that's a time saver!

Well let's Tally it all up

Ron Paul, during his lifetime has served as a leader in the following roles:

President of his high school student council

House Manager of his college fraternity

Husband of his family (even though it was his wife who took the initiative to set up his first date)

Ran a Small Medical Practice In Texas

leader the Texas Reagan delegation at the national Republican convention in 1976

ran a coin business

ran something called "the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education", which he actually started. They had a newsletter

and that's about it

He's opposed Flood Insurance, a program which has not only been good for the economy by releaving private insurance companies of losses that hurt economic growth but also helps to rebuild the lives of thousands of Americans a year.

He's been a member of the house on again off again, sometimes still holding down a job as a doctor, and who doesn't have that kind of free time?

Being a member of the House is NOT a leadership role! congress holds a 17% approval rating, who's going to give you credit for being a part of that? Beyond that congress anymore is Red Tape Central, there's no leadership to be found.

A man who brings people together? Not exactly, he spends half of his time undermining those within his whole party.

You can have your text message polls and you internet army. Judgning by the man's body of work I would barely trust him leading a Highschool Football team, let alone a country.

His body of leadership experience DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE to that of the mayor of NYC, let alone during a time of Crisis as large as 911

again, truth finds it's way into the side of Ron Paul. Enjoy the thorns of reality guys

Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

on a side note, his years of OB/GYN do explain how he's been able to MASTER the sour face!

92b16vx · 10-18-2007, 07:30 AM

Hmmmm, let's see. We elected a guy that destroyed three businesses, not just any business, but Texas oil busnisess. Now, if you know anything, it is damn near impossible to run a Texas oil busniness into the ground, but Bush managed to do it not once, not twice, but THREE times. At least Ron Paul has some understanding of foreign policy, unlike Julie whos biggest accomplishment in life is being major of a city that had some planes flown into a couple buildings, oh, and there's always that burlesque number he did...

LOL

Silverchild79 · 10-18-2007, 08:14 AM

He was on SNL, so was Bob Dole, it shows depth of character

He also worked as Assistant AG under Reagan

cut taxes 23 times as mayor, while balancing the budget

lowered crime and murder (crime in half, murder lowered by 66%, deemed safest large city in America by the FBI)

decreased the size of government bureaucracy by 20%

He did all this with working with a liberal city government, he can bring the parties together

there's a bit more to it then being a mayor who's city was attacked, not only has Rudy actually lead something bigger then a high school student body he succeeded in getting stuff done! For the first time in a long time there's a presidential candidate who can actually deliver AS PROMISED

but hey, Ron Paul did lead that lemonade stand...

92b16vx · 10-18-2007, 08:49 AM

And, I have yet to meet a New Yorker that doesn't hate him, not dislike, but hate. It really says something about your leadership skills when an entire organization, such as the International Association of Firefighters, is against you because of your management of 9/11.

Silverchild79 · 10-18-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally stated by 92b16vx

And, I have yet to meet a New Yorker that doesn't hate him, not dislike, but hate.

hmm, guess you've never met 51% of the city then

New Yorkers Want Rudy, Not Hillary, for President » Outside The Beltway | OTB

So what does all this Rudy bashing have to do with the fact that Ron Paul has ZERO meaningful leadership experience. Oh that's right, nothing!

92b16vx · 10-18-2007, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally stated by Silverchild79

hmm, guess you've never met 51% of the city then

New Yorkers Want Rudy, Not Hillary, for President » Outside The Beltway | OTB

So what does all this Rudy bashing have to do with the fact that Ron Paul has ZERO meaningful leadership experience. Oh that's right, nothing!

Tell me Einstein, aside from a second term president, who has ever been in a leadership position equivolent to leading a country? Nobody is the answer, I would rather have a guy that understands the government, foreign relations, policy, and monetary issues, than a cousin ***ing, drag queen, that is pro-abortion, anti-gun,, no family values, two ex-wife having, socialist dressed up as a "republican", that runs around like a parrot braaak 9/11 braaaak terrorist, braaaak 9/11, who's own kids do not even support him.

Silverchild79 · 10-18-2007, 02:18 PM

nice collection of unfounded and petty mudslinging

my candidate has great leadership experience, yours has none. That isn't Mudslinging, it's US History. All the name calling you have doesn't change that, or the fact that Rudy will get the nod and Paul will become a 3rd party candidate that won't carry a single state.

92b16vx · 10-18-2007, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally stated by Silverchild79

nice collection of unfounded and petty mudslinging

my candidate has great leadership experience, yours has none. That isn't Mudslinging, it's US History. All the name calling you have doesn't change that, or the fact that Rudy will get the nod and Paul will become a 3rd party candidate that won't carry a single state.

It's only name calling if it isn't true, but, since it is an accurate description of Julie, and every single item has been proven, and is public knowledge...

I'll take a 10 term Congressman that has:

never voted to raise taxes.
never voted for an unbalanced budget.
never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
never voted to raise congressional pay.
never taken a government-paid junket.
never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

voted against the Patriot Act.
voted against regulating the Internet.
voted against the Iraq war.

does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

than the aforemention 9/11 parrot. Put you mask on, PUT YOUR MASK ON!!!!!!!!

Freeman15 · 10-19-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally stated by Silverchild79

nice collection of unfounded and petty mudslinging

my candidate has great leadership experience, yours has none. That isn't Mudslinging, it's US History. All the name calling you have doesn't change that, or the fact that Rudy will get the nod and Paul will become a 3rd party candidate that won't carry a single state.

Ron Paul lacks leadership experience, but not leadership qualities. His campaign, which is headed by himself and Kent Snyder has brought together groups that until recently opposed one another. Libertarians, conservatives, constitutionalists, and even some liberals and greens. He has a knack for creating feelings of goodwill and understanding, and has demonstrated these qualities in his ten terms as a Congressman from a rural district, and not voting for farm subsidies. That is no easy feat.

Rudy Giuliani did a skit on SNL, and unlike 92b, I really don't care about his personal life, to each their own (though I did think the SNL skit was stupid and unfunny......like most SNL skits). I care about the fact that he has absolutely no foreign policy experience, whereas Ron Paul sits on the foreign policy committee in the House. Giuliani did good things with NYC's economy, and yes did scale back some of its bureaucracy, and that's to his credit, but he is also in favor of firearms restrictions, interventionist foreign policy (a policy that has yet to produce a single long-term gain for the US), and has no opinion on sound monetary policy. I don't dispute that Giuliani did some good things as mayor of NYC, but I do dispute the notion that serving as an executive branch officer is mandatory for election to the presidency.

Ron Paul's, "register their kids before guns" statement was not of anti-firemarm sentiment, but anti-draft sentiment. If you look at his votng record (project vote smart will have it, as will the House's archives), he has never, EVER voted to restrict gun ownership. He opposes the draft, as do most rational people, because the draft is slavery, plain and simple. Forcing somebody to work for you, even if you pay them (housing for slaves in the 1800's could be considered "payment") is slavery, plain and simple. He criticized members of his own party for supporting such a measure because while he is pro-gun, like any rational person he treasures his children before his possessions. You'd know that if you'd actually investigate the man objectively. Instead, you look for flaws, which make you overlook very clear explanations for Paul's actions.

Tell me, how does Rudy Giuliani plan to handle the $9trillion US debt? Or the $168billion 2006 budgetary deficit? Or the $860billion trade deficit with China?

Giuliani has no financial experience at the national level, and so I could just as easily claim that your candidate is not qualified to lead the country because he has no idea how to run a debt-ridden and economically troubled country. You, like most Giuliani supporters want a "leader" to guide you, which is NOT CONSERVATIVE. Conservatives don't want to be led, we want somebody to keep our executive branch in order, and ensure that our government isn't screwing us. If you want a "leader" to make decisions for the country, that's fine, but understand that such a notion runs counter to everything that is classically conservative in the GOP, and of course, is a sentiment that contradicts the Constitution.

10-17-2007, 11:39 PM	#1
Silverchild79 Paul is done Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,084	Does Ron Paul have enough eperience to lead this nation? Allot of people here say that the Mayor of a large city lacks the depth of experience needed to run a nation. But how about Ron Paul? Just as I did with his stances, we'll look at his career, by the facts, and see just what leadership experience Dr. Paul has. BTW, if you're wondering where that thread is, it's here: http://www.conflictingviews.com/t2142/ so, to the Career of Ron Paul. Well Ron Paul's first crack at leadership came when he was president of his high school student council. That sounds silly but I want to be thorough. He undoubtedly lead students at some point so I guess that counts. His next stride in Leadership came when he was elected House Manager of his college fraternity; Lambda Chi Alpha of Gettysburg College. during his senior year Paul got married, in 1957. I guess marriage was seen as a form of leadership in those days, it's before the sexual revolution and all. He does however lose points because his wife actually asked him to their first date. Hows a lack of spine and all. Paul then considered being a Lutheran Minister, which is odd considering his five children were baptized Episcopalian, but whatever. He decided against that position of leadership to attend the Duke School of Medicine. His college was interrupted when he was drafted during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He was a flight surgeon while in the military. For those who aren't up to date on the workings of our fighting machine, a flight surgeon is not a position of leadership. Even if it is an honorable way to serve, Just wanted to clear that up. After that he worked at a church hospital's emergency room in San Antonio. After that he found another position of leadership as he took over the medical practice of a retiring doctor in Lake Jackson, affording him leadership over a small practice in Rural Texas. His next change came a few years later, Paul became a delegate to the 1974 Texas Republican convention. After that Paul was an unsuccessful Republican candidate for Congress from the 22nd district of Texas in 1974 When President Gerald Ford appointed Casey as head of the Federal Maritime Commission, Paul won an April 1976 special election to fill the empty seat (Member of the House of Rep). Paul lost six months later in the general election. Paul was also one of only four Republican Congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president against Gerald Ford in 1976,[2] when Paul led the Texas Reagan delegation at the national Republican convention.[36] he then defeated Gammage in a 1978 rematch (for a seat in The House) and won new terms in 1980 and 1982. SIDE NOTE: Is Ron Paul pro gun control? In 1980, when a majority of Republicans favored President Jimmy Carter's proposal to reinstate draft registration, he pointed out the majority's views as inconsistent, stating they "were more interested in registering their children than they were their guns". In 1984, Paul chose to run for the U.S. Senate instead of re-election to the House, but lost the GOP primary to Phil Gramm. In the 1988 presidential election, Paul defeated American Indian activist Russell Means to win the Libertarian Party nomination for president. He ran against Bush the First, which is a bit odd considering he was such a fan of Reganomics in the late 70's and now considers himself the most like Regan among GOP hopefuls... After the election, Paul had a coin business,[50] began his own think tank, the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, published an investment newsletter,[47] and continued his medical practice until he returned to Congress. In 1996, Paul returned to Congress after a tougher battle than he had faced in the 1970s. He's been there ever since. It's important to note that the National Rifle Association actually supported his opponent, again raising the question about his theories on gun control. Side Note 2: Conflict of Interest? After being elected again Paul continued to work as an obstetrician in Brazoria County, Texas, delivering many of his constituents' babies even while serving in Congress. Where does he find all this time? Well if you haven't noticed by now he isn't running anything, that's a time saver! Well let's Tally it all up Ron Paul, during his lifetime has served as a leader in the following roles: President of his high school student council House Manager of his college fraternity Husband of his family (even though it was his wife who took the initiative to set up his first date) Ran a Small Medical Practice In Texas leader the Texas Reagan delegation at the national Republican convention in 1976 ran a coin business ran something called "the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education", which he actually started. They had a newsletter and that's about it He's opposed Flood Insurance, a program which has not only been good for the economy by releaving private insurance companies of losses that hurt economic growth but also helps to rebuild the lives of thousands of Americans a year. He's been a member of the house on again off again, sometimes still holding down a job as a doctor, and who doesn't have that kind of free time? Being a member of the House is NOT a leadership role! congress holds a 17% approval rating, who's going to give you credit for being a part of that? Beyond that congress anymore is Red Tape Central, there's no leadership to be found. A man who brings people together? Not exactly, he spends half of his time undermining those within his whole party. You can have your text message polls and you internet army. Judgning by the man's body of work I would barely trust him leading a Highschool Football team, let alone a country. His body of leadership experience DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE to that of the mayor of NYC, let alone during a time of Crisis as large as 911 again, truth finds it's way into the side of Ron Paul. Enjoy the thorns of reality guys Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on a side note, his years of OB/GYN do explain how he's been able to MASTER the sour face! __________________ L-Ron Paul is kinda like L Ron Hubbard They speak in fiction, and those who support them are usually crazy

10-18-2007, 07:30 AM	#2
92b16vx Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: C.C. TX Posts: 2,360 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Does Ron Paul have enough eperience to lead this nation? Hmmmm, let's see. We elected a guy that destroyed three businesses, not just any business, but Texas oil busnisess. Now, if you know anything, it is damn near impossible to run a Texas oil busniness into the ground, but Bush managed to do it not once, not twice, but THREE times. At least Ron Paul has some understanding of foreign policy, unlike Julie whos biggest accomplishment in life is being major of a city that had some planes flown into a couple buildings, oh, and there's always that burlesque number he did... LOL __________________ R.I.P. Micheal Nieves R.I.P. Joseph Norquist “I am concerned for the security of our great nation, not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.” — General Douglas MacArthur ...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Immigration Gumballs. Having an avatar that says "I suck" Photoshopped onto a picture of Ron Paul makes you look like a third grade douchebag.

10-18-2007, 08:14 AM	#3
Silverchild79 Paul is done Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,084	Re: Does Ron Paul have enough eperience to lead this nation? He was on SNL, so was Bob Dole, it shows depth of character He also worked as Assistant AG under Reagan cut taxes 23 times as mayor, while balancing the budget lowered crime and murder (crime in half, murder lowered by 66%, deemed safest large city in America by the FBI) decreased the size of government bureaucracy by 20% He did all this with working with a liberal city government, he can bring the parties together there's a bit more to it then being a mayor who's city was attacked, not only has Rudy actually lead something bigger then a high school student body he succeeded in getting stuff done! For the first time in a long time there's a presidential candidate who can actually deliver AS PROMISED but hey, Ron Paul did lead that lemonade stand... __________________ L-Ron Paul is kinda like L Ron Hubbard They speak in fiction, and those who support them are usually crazy

10-18-2007, 08:49 AM	#4
92b16vx Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: C.C. TX Posts: 2,360 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Does Ron Paul have enough eperience to lead this nation? And, I have yet to meet a New Yorker that doesn't hate him, not dislike, but hate. It really says something about your leadership skills when an entire organization, such as the International Association of Firefighters, is against you because of your management of 9/11. __________________ R.I.P. Micheal Nieves R.I.P. Joseph Norquist “I am concerned for the security of our great nation, not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.” — General Douglas MacArthur ...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Immigration Gumballs. Having an avatar that says "I suck" Photoshopped onto a picture of Ron Paul makes you look like a third grade douchebag. Last edited by 92b16vx : 10-18-2007 at 08:54 AM.

10-18-2007, 02:18 PM	#7
Silverchild79 Paul is done Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,084	Re: Does Ron Paul have enough eperience to lead this nation? nice collection of unfounded and petty mudslinging my candidate has great leadership experience, yours has none. That isn't Mudslinging, it's US History. All the name calling you have doesn't change that, or the fact that Rudy will get the nod and Paul will become a 3rd party candidate that won't carry a single state. __________________ L-Ron Paul is kinda like L Ron Hubbard They speak in fiction, and those who support them are usually crazy

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